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Showing posts with label parampara. Show all posts
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Monday, 13 June 2016

Sharath, Paramaguru? What is the meaning, significance of the Paramaguru title.

Posted on June 13, 2016 by ravi
I'd actually put this post back into draft however Sharath's new title seems to be gaining traction, in blog posts Eg. "Sharath Jois is the living paramaguru of Ashtanga yoga", the advertising and promotion mentioned in the post below as well as increasing casual reference on the internet by Certified/Authorised teachers and students alike such that it's origin seems worthy of comment. 

I was asked why Sharath is suddenly being referred to as Paramaguru (highest guru/guru of the parampara?) in the advertising for the current US Tour ( my reply become too long for an fb comment thus the post). At first I thought it might just be marketing on behalf of Sonima, the organisers of the tour, that was a depressing thought. However on digging it turned out that no other than Eddie Stern referred to Sharath as Paramaguru on his Brooklyn Yoga Club site earlier this year.

"Sharath was bestowed the title of Paramaguru, which indicates that he is the current lineage holder, or the Guru of the parampara, that has been passed down from Sri K. Pattabhi Jois". 
Eddie Stern's Brooklyn Yoga Club

 A little more digging and I found last months Namarupa with a special on it's 2015 'Yantra' (Himalayan retreat/tour). It turns out that although this was the first time Sharath visited Uttarkashi and only stayed a few days the elder Sannyasis and Sadhus decided or were asked (was there a donation involved or was bringing 150 tourists to the flood damaged area enough) see http://tinyurl.com/jrwuola) to give him an honorary title, Paramaguru (See extended quotes below from the namarupa article).



Sharath's relationship with his grandfather clearly had a powerful and influential effect on him, leading him to stress the concept of parampara in his teaching. Personally the concept doesn't interest me in the slightest, not in reference to Sharath (who I do happen to respect as a practitioner and teacher, as I do anyone who has practiced as long or significantly longer) or teachers I've spent a little time with like Manju (who jokingly calls out "Never fear guru's here" when he enters the shala at the beginning of a workshop) or Ramaswami or even Patabbhi Jois and Krishnamacharya for that matter. I find the concept of the guru and parampara, as presented, along with that of 'a lineage' or 'tradition' unnecessary, even a hinderance, and along with the growing adoration that seemingly goes with it perhaps the most off-putting aspect of recent Ashtanga. In this Krishnamacharya 'tradition' ( I actually prefer 'approach' or 'method' to tradition) it's enough perhaps to practice daily and for a long time some appropriate asana, a little pranayama but to focus more on working with Patanjali's Yoga Sutras (or another appropriate meditative practice along with ones own cultural yama and niyama ) and not worry too much about what you call it, who taught it or where it came from (I'm, very much aware of the irony here given the nature of this mostly retired blog).

I'm too cynical of origin narratives perhaps, and coming from the UK, of honorary titles. Such titles appear to elevate the holder and of course all those who claim association, in this case Sharath's students and those Authorised and/or Certified by the 'Paramaguru'. Surely, playing the game and not calling yourself a guru yet (even tacitly) accepting an honorary title like Paramaguru (The Guru of a parampara or specific tradition ) and allowing it to be used extensively in promotion suggests a worrying contradiction. Apart from anything, although he would probably throw something at me if I addressed him as guru, it's surely insulting to Pattabhi's Jois' still living and actively teaching son Manju Jois who has been passing along this approach to practice (as has his sister and Sharath's mother Saraswati) for over fifty years along with several other senior teachers and early students of Pattabhi Jois).

Perhaps it's best we just agree to disagree on this.

However, if parampara IS your thing, check out Lu's Ashtanga Parampara platform

http://www.ashtangaparampara.org/


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Below, the relevant quotes from Namarupa on how a small group of 'disciples' decided to take it upon themselves to request a title to be bestowed upon Sharath which then became used in the advertising and promotion for this years world tour and seems to have caught on in recent general reference to Sharath in certain parts of the community

"But sometimes the disciples of such a teacher wish to call him or her by a special name, and not simply by their given name. It is for this reason that we sought out the counsel of the elder Sannyasis and Sadhus of Uttarkashi, who also agreed that it was time for Sharathji and Saraswathiji to be formally bestowed with titles, and who, after conferring among themselves, decided upon an honorific title for each of them..." Namarupa

Isn't it enough to respect your teacher without elevating them to such heady heights, to approach our practice with sincerity and commitment without resorting to terminology like devotion and dedication?

Read a full account in the new edition of Namarupa. Below are a few quotes from the relevant section. My favourite bit is Saraswati saying "With all credit going to Pattabhi Jois", a bit like the friend or slave who would stand in the chariot holding a laurel wreath above the head of a Roman general receiving a Triumph for a great victory whispering "Respice post te. Hominem te memento", remember thou art mortal (Look after you [to the time after your death] and remember you're [only] a man), this was to protect from hubris.

UPDATE: From a friend who was at Uttarkashi.

"Hi , may I offer my perspective on the "paramaguru" title bestowed on Sharath last Fall? It may offer some clarity... 
    
 I was actually in attendance at the ashram in Uttarkashi when Sharath and Saraswati were given these honorifics, along with some lovely pashmina wool shawls bought in the local market, too, to commemorate the occasion. It was after a week of experiencing Led Primary each morning with both of them. I admittedly had some trepidation about being in a big group of global Ashtanga folks as I have not been to Mysore and didn't know what to expect, but was pleasantly surprised: it was a great week, there was lots of laughter and love in the room, and a real feeling of global community, too. Sharath was funny, wise, kind, teasing, all week. Saraswati herself was gracious, kind, wise - and those who were there with me noted how Sharath was a dutiful, respectful son, attending to her needs/wishes during the week, too. But, most importantly, the people of Uttarkashi, who really suffered in 2013 because of horrific floods that devastated their town and the entire region of Uttarakhand (whereby, most of their vital pilgrim tourism trade was lost) were extremely grateful for our group of 150 people bringing a needed boost to the local economy. In fact, Namarupa was the first big group, and first Western group, mind you - to return to the region since the floods.
     
My sense of the honorifics given to both Sharath and Saraswati was that they were a way of saying thanks and capping the week off. Sharath in particular seemed bashful about the honor. It's my belief that Eddie Stern, who was also in attendance, who honors Sharath as his teacher now, and who is responsible for the marketing of his world tour, has taken this opportunity to "run with" the title - it's my sense that it does not arise from any desire of Sharath to be referred to that way. My experience of him during that week was one of humility, kindness and simplicity. Just my take"!


http://namarupa.org/

"The Guru tradition is one of the oldest foundations of the Hindu tradition. The Upanishads and Epics are filled with instructions, dialogues, and teachings of the great Gurus, Sages and Rishis. These teachings have been passed down to us over thousands of years. Holy places such as Banaras, Haridwar, Rishikesh, Uttarkashi, and beyond, have been the dwelling places of these revered teachers where in yoga's long past they performed tapas. To be able to perform sadhana in the same places where they did is considered to be a blessing. It is widely known that a Guru never calls himself a Guru—it is a title bestowed by his or her disciples. The Guru has no desire for fame, or for being revered; a Guru only has the desire to perform service to humanity, to teach the knowledge that is related to liberation, to be devoted to the removal of suffering, and nothing else. But sometimes the disciples of such a teacher wish to call him or her by a special name, and not simply by their given name. It is for this reason that we sought out the counsel of the elder Sannyasis and Sadhus of Uttarkashi, who also agreed that it was time for Sharathji and Saraswathiji to be formally bestowed with titles, and who, after conferring among themselves, decided upon an honorific title for each of them...

"After learning for a very long period of time—because it takes good time to learn from the teacher properly —then we are supposed to practice on our own, mananam. For mananam, the disciple who really wants to practice on his own now comes from Kasi to Haridwar and Rishikesh and stays there. He does a lot of contemplation on whatever he's been learning. He starts studying by himself and he becomes master over the teaching. Once he becomes master, he travels to Himalayas, to Uttarkashi. He stays here; he rests in his knowledge, nidhidhyasana. This is the place of nidhidhyasana. Whatever he has learnt in Banaras (Kashi), and contemplated in Rishikesh and Haridwar, when he comes here, he lives it, he becomes a yogi. Until then, he's a student. If you come here and stay amongst the sadhus, then you take upadhi of a real yogi...

"[To Sharath] Now we consider you as one of us. That you now can become a leader, and lead us. Because you have properly understood whatever has been taught by parampara. We are very happy to have Sharath here, who has taken part in the parampara itself. From today onwards, we call this upadhi, Amma, as Guru Ma. And Sharathji as Paramaguru R. Sharath Jois...

Now, from today onwards, there’s a bigger responsibility of leading the world onwards on the path of yoga...

RSJ: Thank you. 

Saraswathi Jois: With all credit going to Pattabhi Jois.

RSJ: [to students]: You have wealth, you have book knowledge. You have everything. If you don't put your mind towards adhyatama, your heart towards spirituality, towards jnana, it's no use having this life, having everything. Guru is very important. Guru is the one who teaches, who will take us towards that jnana which is the true knowledge. He removes all the obstacles in us and he removes all the pollution in us. He gives us the true knowledge, jnana. It has touched my heart deeply, all the love and affection everyone has given. Thank you so much. See you again. 


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Earlier in the article devoted to Sharath's conference speeches he has this to say about the practice, parampara and the guru

"This practice that we are doing is an age-old practice; it has come from parampara, from the guru -shishya parampara—from Guru to his shishyas, Guru to his students. When a student becomes a master, then he becomes a Guru and passes his knowledge on to his students. Like this, the yoga knowledge has been passed on for generations. As we know it in this form of Ashtanga Yoga, it has come from maybe 300 years ago—I don’t know for how many generations this knowledge has been passed on".


And below Sharath talking about the idea of Guru with Sonia Jones of Sonima, the organisers of Sharath's current US tour.




The question of parampara came up at his years Ashtanga yoga Confluence, here's a recap from Tim Miller's blog.

Tuesday March 8th—The Ashtanga Yoga Confluence and the Parampara
This past Sunday during the final panel discussion of the 2016 Ashtanga Yoga Confluence, a question was asked about the concept of Parampara and how it is interpreted in the Ashtanga tradition. David Swenson reminded all of us that Guruji’s own eldest son, Manju, was present in the room, and if anyone could be considered the true lineage holder it would be him. Everyone in the room stood up and gave Manju an ovation. It was a very moving moment. I looked over at Dena and saw her eyes welling up with tears just like mine. Manju was very gracious and said that as far as he was concerned, all of us sharing the stage with him and countless other teachers throughout the world are all part of the Parampara.

Update
New video uploaded today on Sharath's Youtube channel, sharath jois rangaswamy, titled Paramaguru, Sharath Jois Yoga Class in New York.




UPADATE: This comment came in on a share of my post in FB, I hope the person who posted it wont mind me quoting it in full here

"All I can say is I just spent the last 6 days in one of his two daily guided primary series - he did 2 per day in Palo Alto, LA, NYC and Miami and he was super helpful, walking around adjusting over 200+ sweaty practitioner, making jokes and just generally being a super nice guy. So say what you will, but in my mind he knows the practice as well or better than any other living being, is an extremely hard working and dedicated guy, and a genuine nice guy. Not sure what else one can ask for. As he said to us after our practice today - "Keep Practicing!".

This is pretty much the impression I also have of Sharath, the same generous, good humoured work ethic I had of his grandfather and that I have of Manju and Saraswati too for that matter, it says a great deal, I would argue it says plenty and without needing to resort to names, terms and concepts like tradition, lineage, parampara, guru, guruji or paramparaguru

This post isn't intended as a critique of Sharath but rather of our pedestal building


UPDATE  2017
I was prepared to give Sharath the benefit of the doubt on this last year but here it is again, the 'Paramaguru' title rolled out once again again for this years round of advertising. I find it a source of concern that Sharath encourages or allows this 'title' to be used in his promotion.





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Note: Namarupa is a beautifully produced magazine and worth getting, this edition follows the 2015 Ynamarupa Yatra (tour/pilgrimage). The Sharath section mostly consists of an intro, two or three conferences which are basically the same as those that have come out of Mysore over the last few years (although here the three conferences follow on from eachother) and a couple of extra paragraphs to the above section on Parampara plus a few glossy photos of Sharath as well as a couple from inside KPJAYI.


See also this article, also from Namarupa, by Ramaswami on his relationship with his teacher, It's a free download. We might ask ourselves if we have a similar relationship with our teacher or our practice.

Free dowload
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Monday, 7 March 2016

A KPJAYI Authorised Ashtanga teacher's response to my recent posts on Authorisation, Parampara, Lineage, The Source etc. Also Sharath's full conference in Stockholm

Posted on March 07, 2016 by ravi
It was nice to get a measured response this week to my recent posts on Ashtanga Authorisation, lineage, parampara and The Source from a recently Authorised KPJAYI teacher. The reader of my posts provides up to date information and perspective on The institute, Lineage, Authorisation, Parampara, Conference notes, Rigidityand the growing numbers of visitors to the institute

If my perspective is from the outside then this response is perhaps from 'the inside'...and up to date.

Relates to these posts.

On Authorisation:  There is no 'official' Ashtanga (sequence).

The Rubbish question regarding Ashtanga authorisation,certification, ownership of yoga, lineage holders, the source and parampara.

I've also added the recent video of one of Sharath's conferences presented in Stockholm last year. 


Sharath's Stockholm conference 2015 http://www.yogashalastockholm.se/
full video below.

Hi Anthony

Like you, I feel  that the value of authorisation / certification is a worthy subject for debate. I've seen it being discussed before. Full disclosure: I am authorised in the KPJAYI sense of the word. I love my job. I help other students with their asana practice, and that help is guided by my experience assisting and practicing at KPJAYI. Personally I think this is what authorisation means. You're a student in direct and regular contact with KPJAYI. It implies a certain approach to teaching. Is it a better approach than that of Richard Freeman or John Scott? I doubt it. Is it a better approach than a crash course in "ashtanga" so that you can add it to your multi discipline portfolio? I'd like to think so.

I think that what gets most people into a tizzy about authorisation is the idea that you can't teach without it. You obviously can, loads of people do. Two of the biggest Mysore program's outside AYL in London are run by non authorised teachers.  I don't think Sharath is bothered by non authorised teaching. I don't think KPJAYI will ever chase after a non authorised teacher with lawsuits alla Bikram Choudhury.

Then there are the rules, and the risk of having it all taken away. It seems to be a rare event. So far a couple of people have lost authorisation because they ran teacher training courses. I'd argue: If you're so famous (and so sure of yourself ) that you want to run TT and if people come to you for TT, and you make a good living from TT, why are you bothered about being authorised by KPJAYI anymore? It's like saying "I believe in one kind of teaching method but I'm going to pretend I adhere to another one just to cover all my bases". It's weird.

I've assisted Sharath in Mysore in the past a wonderful, hilarious experience (he has, as you note, a great sense of humour). When I read your post I thought you might like to read my take on some of what you raised, based on my most recent contact with the Shala.

Conference notes :
These are not banned. Last winter Sharath asked people not to take notes or videos on their devices during conference. He asked people to wait until their time in Mysore was over before disseminating what they were seeing / hearing. He believes taking notes means you're not present. He believes you should digest information slowly  like a good meal before sharing it. The conferences are not lectures or seminars, they are a conversation. That said, conference notes are reappearing again this year. Maybe he hasn't said anything for a while. Maybe people forget or (more likely) are ignoring him.




The institute and the lineage:
Sharath still refers to the Shala as a research institute despite the name change, which was made to honour Guruji after his death.  I don't know why they dropped the R from the new name...maybe they thought it was too long winded.

I've never heard Sharath call himself the lineage holder. He's director of the research institute. That's not a hereditary title, he earned it over 23 years of assisting Guruji. Every day. At 43 years old He's well aware there are people who've been practicing longer than him.

He wants people to visit no matter how long they've been practicing, to continue taking part in the research. I think it disappoints him that some older students have chosen to stop going, for that reason alone.

Tradition/Parampara:
The Shala is not some great altar of tradition. I think a lot of people want it to be that way.  Little tweaks and changes to the asana system happen all the time, and if you're one of his authorised or certified people you're supposed to show up as and when you can to experience all this. That's the Parampara, in as much as I understand it. The asanas change, the yoga doesn't...people can't change yoga,  yoga changes people.

He has said, possibly in jest, that he doesn't want his children to end up teaching. He wants them to find their own path.  In the past two years the foreign and local students alike  are being encouraged to assist. You can write to the Shala and ask to assist when you get a place there. Last time he was in London he said assisting is the best form of research.

Rigidity :
The sequences we call primary, intermediate etc are not rigid. There is of course an average type of body - mind that can learn (and greatly benefit from) the standardised primary and / or intermediate series without too many obstacles but I got to see first hand how many variations there are, especially when he's working with someone local who he can help all year round. And, increasingly, he gets authorised students to work with him on such projects....it breaks a whole bunch of what most people would call "the rules".

Pranayama:
is being added earlier than it used to. Students of primary series are introduced to nadi shodan first.

The Madonna effect:
I think Madge putting her leg behind her head had a negligible impact on the popularity of astanga compared to, say, the recent phenomenon of Kino MacGregor online. Madonna, as far as I'm aware, referenced astanga but never spoke about Mysore. Kino exhorts her followers to head for "the source".

The recent swell in numbers trying to get to "the source" is probably going to bring about more big changes. At the moment the Shala is caught between a rock and a hard place. To continue with Guruji's open door policy or to formalise it into a system more like Iyengar's with wait lists etc? To take the heat off Sharath by letting some certified teachers train and possibly authorise ? Who knows....

Cheers

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I was going to add my long 'chatty' response to the mail above but decided I have rambled on enough in the posts this mail responds to. However here is a nice extended comment/response to the original post from a non authorised but experienced Ashtanga teacher  from the comments section of that post.

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"Such a great discussion/overview of this subject, Anthony. Thanks for this.

It's my belief that a good teacher of this practice does something that goes beyond accurately sharing the series as it has been codified, or providing good physical assists, or great technical pointers.

There are teachers, and then there are TEACHERS.

There's that lovely saying in the Ashtanga world - I first read it on Angela Jamison's blog - "Holding the space." I feel strongly that the key to good teaching lies in this concept. Holding the space means the teacher is fully present, grounded in their own practice, and yet, egoless in the way they share the practice with students. They share the practice - the one they have done for a long time - as it has been taught to them by their teacher, with an intent to meet each student where they are that day, and serve that student, kindly and wisely.

With this intention, I teach. And I am not authorized. But, I think of myself as a facilitator, or even, servant of the student. My first Ashtanga teacher, Beryl Bender Birch, and in fact, all of the teachers I have studied with who have really resonated with me as TEACHERS (Nancy, Tim) share this quality. They serve, without ego, but with wisdom and kindness.

Teaching as an act of service to those who chose to study the practice with my help brings my own ego into check. I become a clearer conduit for the knowledge that has been shared with me, and facilitate the student's exploration and self-discovery of pramana - right knowledge.

And, speaking of right knowledge, there's that great sutra - 1.7 - which applies here, methinks -

प्रत्यक्षानुमानाअगमाः प्रमाणानि ॥७॥

pratyakṣa-anumāna-āgamāḥ pramāṇāni ॥7॥

"Of these five, there are three ways of gaining correct knowledge (pramana): 1) perception, 2) inference, and 3) testimony or verbal communication from others who have knowledge.
(pratyaksha anumana agamah pramanani)

pratyaksha = direct perception or cognition
anumana = inference, reasoning, deduction
agamah = authority, testimony, validation, competent evidence
pramanani = valid means of knowing, proofs, sources of correct knowing

I think of this Sutra when I read or hear "words of authority", coming on down from on high (although, ofttimes, these words have been filtered - I think that's why Sharath has said lately, "No more conference notes." It's like the telephone game!)

Note, that the best form of pramana/right knowledge has all three elements: our own experience or perception, logic, and the direct words of a figure of authority.

Still, the best of these three is the first: our OWN experience, OUR perceptions! (Patanjali tended to put the most important or crucial element first in his tendency to list things in the Sutras.) Logic may erroneously be based on false assumptions. And figures of authority may not turn out to be figures of authority, but the misinformed - or worse, charlatans (for more on this, we can all google, "guru, sex scandal"

I've always been a bit of a rebel or outlier, so I believe respectfully questioning authority, when your own experience tells you otherwise, is a sign of a healthy and active mind and spirit. The Ashtanga practice fosters this trait, as it produces a healthy and active mind and spirit, too, when done for a long time".



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A note on the above conference video.

I happen to find the video frustrating at times, Sharath is clearly referring to Mark Singleton's book Yoga Body at the beginning of the conference, he dismisses the book by saying that anybody can write a book (Mark's book was based on his Phd thesis) and is dismissive of 'some University' (Mark discipline is Philology and Ethnography , his PHD is from the ancient Department of Divinity at Cambridge). Sharath stresses the importance of actual practice (not realizing perhaps that Mark has practised Ashtanga for many years).  

As it happens, I'm not convinced by some of Mark's arguments in Yoga Body either, however I value the contribution he and his colleagues are making in moving towards a better understanding of yoga's past and present, how the theory and practice of yoga has been and is currently being transmitted. We can see perhaps in my recent posts and the response above the constant, ongoing, layering and rewriting of interpretation by teachers, students, scholars and the media.

It's unholy mess and can be a distraction, informed practice with discernment is best, which is I think what Sharath really wants to say.

The conference gets better after this shaky beginning.
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